Shadrack
- Reaction score
- 98
- Thunderbird Year
- 1964
Beautiful Doug!!! Thank you so much - really helps! Looks like your green wire is attached to a lug, I guess that would complete the seatbelt circuit.
Keep them coming folks, every bit helps!
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I don't see any sequencer in the circuits in the diagrams. SO.... that's good news. It means it's not nearly as complicated as later year Thunderbirds with the sequentially blinking directional. The directional switch is in the steering column. If you have brake lights then the power would feed through the directional switch to make one side blink while the other side has brake lights. Like I said earlier. I'm concerned that you said the directional worked and you didn't have brake lights. Whomever messed with the wiring may have jumped power to the directional but not through the brake light switch. Go back to the troubleshooting process outlined by DJ Dan. Figure out what you have first. I would be a little leery of just hooking up that green red wire until I have a better idea of what is done to the wiring. One thing you can do is check continuity from that spade lug at the fuse box to the plug at the brake light switch. That way you can verify the wire goes where I think it goes and not melt or fry anything by hooking up power.
I have the seatbelt light in the center console, is that what you’re referring to?Beautiful Doug!!! Thank you so much - really helps! Looks like your green wire is attached to a lug, I guess that would complete the seatbelt circuit.
Keep them coming folks, every bit helps!
I have the seatbelt light in the center console, is that what you’re referring to?
Don, you’ll be the go to guy for electrical problems once you get through this🙂
I'm heading out for dinner but …. This is what I gleaned (so far) from the diagrams I'm looking at;
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I don't see any sequencer in the circuits in the diagrams. SO.... that's good news. It means it's not nearly as complicated as later year Thunderbirds with the sequentially blinking directional. The directional switch is in the steering column. If you have brake lights then the power would feed through the directional switch to make one side blink while the other side has brake lights. Like I said earlier. I'm concerned that you said the directional worked and you didn't have brake lights. Whomever messed with the wiring may have jumped power to the directional but not through the brake light switch. Go back to the troubleshooting process outlined by DJ Dan. Figure out what you have first. I would be a little leery of just hooking up that green red wire until I have a better idea of what is done to the wiring. One thing you can do is check continuity from that spade lug at the fuse box to the plug at the brake light switch. That way you can verify the wire goes where I think it goes and not melt or fry anything by hooking up power.
Hey Steve,
A man admits his mistakes, and boy did a make a dumb one! I hooked the green/red wire up to 12 volts, used a piece of copper on the stop light plug to jump both sides and I let it fall - it shorted out and broke the inline fuse. No huge deal, just took the copper out, plugged the switch back in and closed the broken block fuse by attaching the ends together.
THIS IS WHERE IT GOES REALLY SOUTH -
I got in the car and started it up with the headlights on. I pressed the brakes a few times...and I lost my interior lights totally and my taillights. The radio light even is out. The tail lights still flash with the blinkers and the headlights still come on, but no taillights or interior lights. I checked all the fuses - all are fine and not broken.
Is it possible that I blew the headlight switch and it also is not allowing the interior lights to come on? Horn still works, emergency flashers still work with taillights work with the turn signals - I feel like a total idiot.
What did a possibly blow other than the headlight switch? The stop light relay? I am just worried that i LOST ALL interior lights.?
Below is the aftermath of hooking the green/red wire up and then accidentally allowing the stop light plug to ground. I also found that one of the wires goes to the start solenoid. This is before I started the car and killed my interior lights and taillights.........I am so dumb.
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View attachment 3879 View attachment 3882 View attachment 3880 View attachment 3881 Ok, I found my old info so I will post up some pics of the tech tips. I will include all of them on this topic instead of adding them to your other posts. I believe you said you replaced the relay, I know when I had mine it wasn’t available but that was 20 some years ago. I will also include his tech tips on your shifter questions and I also found a wiring schematic for your 64. I haven’t spoken to Nick in probably 10 years or so and I think he retired but he was very knowledgeable and helped tremendously. Good luck I’m sure you can get this sorted out.
What do you mean by "boot line"?This is VERY cool- THANK YOU! My main worry is the gree/red wire - it is located near my fuse box but I am unsure of where to connect it? Any of you guys dare a guess? I am unsure - also I am unsure of why in the heck they put this weird fuse in the boot line.
Hi 40birds, what manual is this? Looks interesting and different than the shop manual that I have. Thanks, DougView attachment 3879 View attachment 3882 View attachment 3880 View attachment 3881 Ok, I found my old info so I will post up some pics of the tech tips. I will include all of them on this topic instead of adding them to your other posts. I believe you said you replaced the relay, I know when I had mine it wasn’t available but that was 20 some years ago. I will also include his tech tips on your shifter questions and I also found a wiring schematic for your 64. I haven’t spoken to Nick in probably 10 years or so and I think he retired but he was very knowledgeable and helped tremendously. Good luck I’m sure you can get this sorted out.
It wasn’t ever in a manual, Back when he was still in business Nick would put tons of tips/ tricks thru out his parts catalog. I just have kept this catalog in my stash as I use it as reference as it was info from a guy that worked on these for a living and was always willing to share what he had found.Hi 40birds, what manual is this? Looks interesting and different than the shop manual that I have. Thanks, Doug
Hi 40birds. The little bit I read looked very helpful and practical. I would gladly pay for reproduction and shipping costs to get a copy. Hope that’s not an imposition. Thanks, DougIt wasn’t ever in a manual, Back when he was still in business Nick would put tons of tips/ tricks thru out his parts catalog. I just have kept this catalog in my stash as I use it as reference as it was info from a guy that worked on these for a living and was always willing to share what he had found.
What do you mean by "boot line"?
I would guess, based on information from 40birds, that connection there was an attempt at bypassing the brake switch relay. If you check continuity from those back to the green-red wire at the fuse box you may find it is the wire you are looking for. The other wire you have there probably goes to the brake light switch.Sorry about that! I mean the boot that fits of the brake light switch. One of the lines is hacked into a line that is going to the starter solenoid and another line that is going into the car. There was a 15a square fuse in it - I am just all kinds of confused about that. Here is a picture. I can take better ones as well.
At first I didn't understand but now I think I do. You are referring to that open rectangular hole in the fuse box picture that nemesis posted. I guess there is supposed to be a 15A relay in that position and that it is for the brake light circuit. Then after reading what nemesis wrote in another post (#40) it sounds like someone tried to operate the brake light circuit by jumping from the starter solenoid with a 15A in-line blade fuse rather than from the fuse box.Well if I’m looking at the wiring diagram correctly, I don’t have my glasses on, but your green red at the fuse box would be connected to a circuit breaker which you appear to be missing. The other end of the green red would be at your stop light switch